http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/ What's Your Story? Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-977 skepticblogger Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:54:58 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-977 I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% - 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country. Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country. If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together. You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation. I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense. There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner. Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions. Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan. Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region. The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out. However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos. I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% – 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country.
Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country.
If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together.
You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation.
I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense.
There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner.
Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions.
Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan.
Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region.
The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out.
However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19472 skepticblogger Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:54:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19472 I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% - 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country. Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country. If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together. You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation. I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense. There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner. Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions. Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan. Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region. The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out. However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos. I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% – 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country.
Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country.
If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together.
You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation.
I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense.
There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner.
Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions.
Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan.
Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region.
The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out.
However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19473 skepticblogger Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:54:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19473 I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% - 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country. Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country. If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together. You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation. I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense. There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner. Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions. Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan. Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region. The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out. However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos. I think what you should consider before passing any form of judgment on the Jordanian society in regards to the Iraqi refugee problem is the fact that assimilating 15% – 20% of your population in a 3 year period is not only difficult, its down right dangerous to any society. The danger increases when the assimilated population comes from one country.
Western societies that advertise their tolerance and human rights and advertise to the world their acceptance of immigrants and refugees do not accept more than 0.1% of the population per year. That in the USA translates to about 250 thousand people a year. Less than that are accepted in Europe in percentage terms and never from a single source country.
If you factor in the resources of Jordan in comparison to the resources of the USA, EC and neighboring countries you will find out that we took on more Iraqis than the whole world put together.
You would be totally missing the point if you think that it really matters that a few hundred Iraqis created a few thousand Jobs. The business / money aspect is only a very limited side of the equation.
I believe to maintain our already low living standards we have to strike a nice balance between hospitality and common sense.
There are too many Iraqis in Jordan and we do have to control their numbers in a civilized manner.
Where they go from here is really up to the USA and UK who started this mess in the first place. They bear the moral and financial responsibility for their ill thought out actions.
Take the 36 nation coalition that the USA brags about. Morally each of these 36 countries should have the larger part of the displaced Iraqi population. I am willing to bet that all 36 countries put together do not have as many Iraqi refugees as Jordan.
Taking up another closely unrelated matter, the only thing we should have done in hind sight is stand firm against the unprovoked US aggression on Iraq and really be able to take the moral high ground and say its not our problem. But alas our hands are just as dirty as everyone’s the region.
The often stated view that the US and UK would have gone in with or without our help is probably true. We had more to lose by not helping the US and UK out.
However I find it amusing that Jordan sold out cheap. We could have gotten better terms for our support for the US and UK. And that support should have been more evenly spread through the treasury on Jordanians rather than being concentrated in the private accounts of a few individuals. Funnily enough comparing the oil subsidy we got from Saddam at today’s oil prices to the direct and indirect benefits we receive from the US and UK for our ‘logistical support’, the sum falls far short of our old handout. So as always the people bear the brunt of the problem while those who created it and those who helped them sit around chatting in a fine dining establishment somewhere in the world sipping cappuccinos.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-945 Pheras Hilal Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:29:38 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-945 Actually no I still haven't encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps. Actually no I still haven’t encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19470 Pheras Hilal Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19470 Actually no I still haven't encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps. Actually no I still haven’t encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19471 Pheras Hilal Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19471 Actually no I still haven't encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps. Actually no I still haven’t encountered somebody that rude (luckily). But what I was trying to say is that there a huge chunk of Iraqis that are not so rich, and that are living in hell, on Jordanian soil. You only saw Iraqis in West Amman, not the ones who are stranded in clusters of refugee camps.

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-530 alurdunialhurr Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:42:40 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-530 I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that's the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir? I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that’s the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir?

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19468 alurdunialhurr Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:42:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19468 I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that's the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir? I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that’s the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir?

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19469 alurdunialhurr Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:42:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19469 I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that's the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir? I must say that to Batir,yes they did Iraqis are spending billion in Jordan and that’s the truth ,why are you ashamed of the truth Batir?

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-491 Batir Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:32:24 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-491 It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi "refugee" in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying" we made you with our money"! It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi “refugee” in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying” we made you with our money”!

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19466 Batir Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:32:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19466 It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi "refugee" in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying" we made you with our money"! It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi “refugee” in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying” we made you with our money”!

]]> http://www.7iber.com/2007/08/shame-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19467 Batir Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:32:00 +0000 http://www.7iber.com/blog/2007/08/26/shame-on-us/#comment-19467 It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi "refugee" in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying" we made you with our money"! It seems the author did not have a routine encounter with an Iraqi “refugee” in Jordan where the Iraqi brags by saying” we made you with our money”!

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