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  • bambambi

    Well Fariba I think by reading this we would learn that you have been a naughty naughty naughty girl Farida.
    The masturbation part is prohibited also on the grounds of that thinking sexually about somebody else's body is considered sinful hence why it would be prohibited and sinful. but really this is nothing new at all, it just part of the duplicity that the arabic culture encourages people to adopt. where as long as no body knows about the bad things we can just ignore them …

  • faridafarouk

    Learning about reproductive health is part of the larger developmental process as children become adults. Developing self-esteem, a sense of hope and goals for the future, and respect for others are also part of the process. Successful sex education programs have common elements that can be adapted to various cultural situations. These common elements include certain features in curriculum and adequate teacher training.

    One exercise that I came across while I was doing some research about sex education was a program in Senegal called “a condom fashion show”. The kids, teachers and parents open the condoms and make them into belts, bracelets and earrings. In return, this excercise desensitizes them to this subject, and they can then talk more honestly and openly.

  • bambambi

    ok you kinda missed my point …. although i'll admit it was subtle
    what i was trying to say is that if even the realm of thought is considered sinful and should be regulated how are you supposed to do anything to change the status quo … ?!
    So the whole point about “doing” things ends up being pointless if the majority considers that thinking about sex as sinful.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    I think the biggest problem we have here is Islam. People will disagree to avoid being confrontational or not to eliminate the conservative Muslim majority in our socities. But the truth is, Islam is biggest opstical on this matter.

    I wrote little something way back about the hypocracy in our society regarding sex:
    http://gyonis.com/2009/03/barbapapa-the-porn-ve…

  • ree7

    Farida, well done. Someone should've spoked about this subject long time ago (10 years at least). But i have to agree about the contradiction of masturbation that was mentioned by the gentleman above; it doesn't make any sense to be a good muslim and meanwhile at home your thinking about the women you met at that day or even watching porno.

    But even though, that should not stop people in providing sex education – especially about safe sex – to teenagers in schools.

  • faridafarouk

    thank you for providing the link Ghassan, I will check it out :-)

  • faridafarouk

    Thank you for the comment and for sharing the link Ghassan, I will check it out very shortly

  • faridafarouk

    Well the thing is we need to start some where…perhaps through facilitating sessions on sex education for teachers, parents and youth. That way they will be have more self-esteem, decision-making skills, and the fact that they have options and can control things.

    For kids to learn skills about negotiating safe sex, teachers have to be comfortable with the content of the curriculum and make it interesting for youth. It is crucial to train teachers and desensitize them.

    I have mentioned desensitizing in an earlier comment because this method is extremely important in approaching sex education in general and masturbation in particular. The training has to desensitize the discomfort the teachers feel in talking about subjects that are taboo. Once they start talking about sexual health with youth, they have to listen to them, deal with their questions, and often, that is not comfortable for teachers.

  • http://www.haithamsaerie.blogspot.com/ Haitham

    Well, at least I can tell am not the only pervert out there!

    Yesterday, me and my friend were talking about the abolition of marriage in the USSR, he told me that sex was one of the things that you should be provided with just like food, while I was talking about Stalins stance from the family constitution, and that he assassinated all of those who thought that marriage was against communism!

    In a book called mismatch the writers discussed briefly the issue that good health and good nutrition for the newborns in the west had restored the sexual maturation age to 10-12, where mental maturation or social maturation needs some more 10 years, and they were discussing that there should be a quick solution for this problem, cuz this means that the kids will not be allowed to have sex before 18, which is 7-8 years of an urge to have sex, but where laws are against it, if these two were in this part of world, they would have been killed or announced apostate!

    I am against prostitution, but definitely against the antediluvian constitution of marriage, or at least the protocols that precedes it!

  • http://twitter.com/Sheeshany Haitham Al-Sheeshany

    This was for sure an interesting piece to read. However, these comments if I may are my take on it:

    - Sex education IS a crucial element indeed in the learning process of nowadays, it needs to be carefully approached regarding our cultural norms, and it needs more elements than 1 to fully emerge in it (time being a fundamental element)
    - The issue of masturbation was inaccurately handled –in my opinion-, it is not suffice to articulate that because of a study's findings it means it's ok to “practice” masturbation, even if (big if here!) it relaxes the body & mind from tension. What about the downsides of it; psychologically (low self-esteem, regret, stress, etc…) and physiologically (ED, fatigue, vision fussiness, etc…) . Furthermore, just because the issue wasn't addressed directly in the holy Qur`an doesn't automatically make it ok to do.
    - The examples of Saudi Arabia, though correct and to the point, they represent a bias as I see it.
    - Although practiced widely, homosexuality is against human-nature. Debatable I agree, but to me it is not by any means under the (rights list) of any kind, it's just plain wrong, period.
    - Just a final thing, regarding the pic used; it's one thing to grab attention, a totally another thing to ignore the possibility of offending others.
    Hope you take it in a good spirit. (I`m positive you will )
    H.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    1. “low self-esteem, regret, stress” Are we talking about the same masturbation? That's because of the religiously conservative culture people have been brought in, because they brought up to feel it's a wrong thing.
    2. What is “human-nature”? And who to define it? If it's enjoyable to some and not directly hurting you, why stop it?

  • ma7moodjo

    with all do respect …. if masturbation gives you those feelings you have some intimacy problems dude !!!
    second of all i thought ino ” al a9el fee il islam al iba7aa ” meaning basically everything is ok to do unless said explicitly other wise !
    peace

  • http://blog.eyas-sharaiha.com/ Eyas

    I am not a muslim nor are my views of religion in general favorable to begin with, but I will say that I disagree with the general clean cut assertion that religion is undisputably an obstacle.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    Then I would suggest you know Islam more

  • http://blog.eyas-sharaiha.com/ Eyas

    Masturbation, homosexuality, etc. might (or might not) be against the Qur'an or the human nature as defined by religion, but that is besides the point. You can argue that it is wrong for a Muslim to masturbate while still being a good Muslim (that will be for another debate), but saying its wrong for anyone in society to masturbate because one religion entails it for all others is very, very wrong in my opinion. Similarly, you can say that homosexuality is against Islam, but generalizing your own views and beliefs and imposing them on society, again, would be wrong.

    And I'm not sure if the picture changed, but if the one you commented on is the same one I see, then I am at loss at what can possible by found offensive in that picture.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    Who decide that I have intimacy problems, you? A total stranger who knows completely nothing about me.

    What are we talking about here regarding Islam, homosexuality? If it's masturbation, then here is some links:
    http://www.islam-qa.com/ar/ref/329
    http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.ph…

  • basma

    First of all thank you for the article despite the fact that it does not represent any thing new except “stereotypes”, the fact that leads me to invite you to read more and know more as you are inviting us in your article to have “knowledge and education” .
    And for Gassan, Islam does not stand as an obstacle in the way of you having education even if it was sexual. But if this knowledge is for nothing and just for having fun then the problem appears!

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    I don't think the article was only about sexual education. There for, I wasn't talking about only sexual education, rather than sexual-related freedoms in general.

  • Yasmine

    As I value your input here, I got to say:” I totally disagree”. First, because I do not think faith can be an obstacle as much it can be a healthy director to free discussions on such matters.

    Second, because we are mostly hypocritical people when it comes to open-minds, we want to talk about everything but if we encounter someone talking about sex than we assume he is ill-mannered, if someone discusses religion and the way its misunderstood we assume he is questioning everything about it, if we see someone criticizing the monarch then he might be a traitor.

    Moreover, we have to come up with our own way in discussing sex; I'd rather see a group of people discussing it in a civilized manner, instead of them having to learn about it throughout the wrong portals such as porn…etc…

    In addition, the role of open-dialogue starts within the family itself but even at that same small level, girls and guys won't ask their parents, in school and university no sex teaching goes on…

    Do people acquire the maturity, the knowledge (through religion too there is sexual teaching), and the right attitude to discuss it with people in the appropriate manner? I hope we develop that so we can talk about anything…

    But for now, let's not talk, blame religion and society, and let the misunderstanding ruin our country socially…

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    Islam is a set of rules, not just faith.

    I agree with you on the second paragraph, so I'm not sure how you “totally disagree”, unless it makes you happier to think so.

    And I wasn't only talking about sexual education (as I previously cleared on a previous comment), but on sexual-related freedoms in general.

  • Yasmine

    Set of a rules? sounds dull, but the rules are not to deprive us the right to be who we want to be, free people; ones who can talk things through rationally without having to take everything personal.]

    It does not make me happier at all to disagree but I do when it comes to limiting faith into rules that people only abide by when faith and rules are set in the first place to set people free.

    I was not talking about sexual education only, sex and all that is related to it is mostly looked upon as “sin, something bad, taboo” when it obviously is not. But without the directing education that enables people to be free in acquiring knowledge, there will always be incapablity in dealing with freedom.

    Have a nice day and thanks again.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    Dull? What kind of argument is that!

    Actually, that's exactly what those rules are meant to be for in Islam.

    I give you the same advice that I give everybody who defend Islam or try to make it prettier than it already is, know Islam more.

    “I was not talking about sexual education only”
    I was talking about paragraphs 3/4/5 of your first comment, you ere talking exclusively about sexual education.

  • ma7moodjo

    dear my Yonis … first of all i do agree that the article has more to do with religion than just what meets the eyes ! but for me and alot of the youth nowadays we like to think that we broke out of the grip of the extreme imams and stupid clerks if i wanna masturbate then its my choice and i will not accept nor even consider that fact that its wrong !!! which bring me to the point that i was discussing yesterday with a female friend of mine while we were reading the article, you just went out of your way to make the whole thing sounds like islam is against sexual education which i think is completely untrue … quiet the contrary i think we have a very good corner stone in islam regarding sexual education starting from il” fa9el fee il madaje3 ” ending with marriage for all who can afford to !!!
    anyway dude i do appreciate your thoughts that might help making our society better !!!
    cheers

  • ma7moodjo

    dude i that wasn't meant for you!!!! chill am sure you are in good term with your sexuality !

  • Yasmine

    I am not trying to lure you into believing a fairytale, the matter here is pretty simple; you choose to believe whatever you want in terms of what the rules are meant for and I after thankfully being aware of Islam and several religions choose to believe that diversity in opinions can actually attribute to the topic.

    Meanwhile, what I am trying to highlight here; is that sex as a crucial topic is dismissed from education or discussion, which is actually just part of the problem.

    Looking at the bigger picture here, I think (my sole humbe and probably only Yasminist opinion) that some important issues in our lives such as religion (which I'm happily discussing a mere aspect of it with you here), and sex are poorly taled about in the society and are hid like talking about them, or having the guts to call for more freedom and disclosure and that happens in name of religion and conservation.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    “with all do respect …. if masturbation gives YOU those feelings you have some intimacy problems dude !!!”

    I'm chilling, “dude”. but seems you have either a problem writing or remembering what you wrote earlier.

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    Again, the article was talking more than just sexual education. It mentioned many things like homosexuality, masturbation, and sex outside marriage. That, what I was referring to when I stated my comment about Islam. Hope it's clearer this time

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    My whole point is: Islam is the problem because it does not allow sexual freedom. Not only for it's followers who choses to, but for everybody. That's what the problem is. I have no problem with people believing in what ever they want, nor conservative people and their values, as longest they don't try to force their values on the rest of the community. Which is exactly what Islam is doing the whole time.

  • ma7moodjo

    well this is were you are wrong .. we are not discussing islam !!! i have went through your blog and i found some interesting ideas but you are missing the point here !
    TO MAKE IT CLEAR
    1- HOMO is a big NO NO in islam its as simple as that !
    2- masturbation is A small NO
    do what ever you want its between you and god ” thats my opinion ofcourse “
    3- sex outside marriage is NO NO
    and man those things will never change maybe the masturbation will cause it wasnt mentioned in the Quran ! but the other 2 are solid for eternity !

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    1. The article mentioned Islam more than once, hence my first comment.
    2. I know the points you just mentioned (the three no no's)
    3. Masturbation was mentioned in the 'Hadith', which is the second source of legislation in Islam.
    4. I'm not asking for Islam to change neither do I care. I'm asking it to stop trying to force it's values on the rest of the community.

  • http://oeliwat.wordpress.com/ Ola

    Nothing in this article is new, people have been fussing about sex and talking about sex for years, but guess what? We do talk about sex. I mean, please! It's on TV, it's on the net, the whole media is about sexual appeal not because they want people to “learn” bt because sex sells. Let's face it, everyone knows everything, and those who want to talk about sex openly are apparently those who think about sex 24/7 and want to live a lifestyle where it's okay to have relationships out of wedlock and dream of a world where one-night-stands are par for the course…

    About masturbation, I don't see why anyone would rant about it and why anyone would be open about it? Nobody will sue you and if you believe it's okay then go knock yourself out who's keeping you from that? I don't see what you're trying to achive here, it's not like you're going to hold gathering for mass-masturbation

    I think many people want to follow in the steps of Western societies where there's no restirction on sexual liberties and the most they can do is preaching about safe sex. But look at them now, rates of STD and teen pregnancy are sky rocketing, I know we have these problems in the Arab world but they pale in comparison to that. Not to mention that it seems like everything in those societies isa bout sex, everything revolves around it, you can't even have a comedy show without explicit or implicit sexual innuendos. And, no matterhow much you tr to educate people about safe sex, in the end you can't expect that from 16 and 17 year-old kids who will enevitably want to jump on the wagon

    Bottom line, talking about sex will not change anything. Boys/guys/men will still be thinking of sex all the time, women will still be seen as sex objects and TV shows/internet websites will still be oozing with sexual content. As for those who really want to be educated about sex, like newly married couples for example, there's a million way to do it without having to boast and brag about your sexuality in front of the whole world to see

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    1. I disagree with some of the points on your comment, but I actually love it :D
    2. About STD's and teen pregnancy; there is dangers to almost everything in life, but here comes the awareness and “eduction” part. It's like telling people to cross the streets from the pedestrian bridge, but some will still choose to ignore that. Stop traffic?

  • ma7moodjo

    ola please come on ” guys will be thinking about sex all the time….. woman will be seen as sex objects”
    isn't this like the biggest stereotype ever , dont get me wrong guys will think about sex all the time .. i mean the part where woman are victimized ! since its a Thursday go for a ride and look and the younger generation and you tell me what you think about those sex objects you will see freaking 14year old wearing mini-skirts and tight jeans and they mean business !
    thats why we need sexual education and thats why it should be mass oriented education through the media through schools and teen initiative .. because a mother telling her daughter not to have sex just because its HARAM won't work anymore !

  • Yasmine

    Well then, Jordan claims the its religion in constitution is Islam but I don't think that it is a Muslim country. Islam is not applied, and often used as an excuse to restrain freedoms by politicians and people who claim to be religious to stirr people's emotions into acceptance.

    On the other hand, in UK for instance, some Muslims choose to abide by religion and still tolerate and embrace other's sexual freedom.

    The bottom line is, it's a social epedemic in name of the so called “conservation” when our country praises open minds and diversity outside on every platform it lacks application within and for some it is excellent that a lot of people are so clueless and numb in terms of sexual, intellectual and other forms of liberty.

    :)

  • SamarSar

    I think the conversation on here is interesting. So, I thought I would join.

    I don't think sex is taboo in religion, I think society makes it taboo. Just because in western society it is believed that sex is everywhere that means everyone is doing it. I know that isn't true and it's a huge stereotype.

    Masturbation is something personal. It goes back to what your intentions are. Some scholars say it's wrong and some say if it's the lesser evil then go for it. Again, sex is a personal choice, like religion is. If I choose to practice it's between God and I not the whole world.

    Education is important and the more we know the better decisions we make. I think the rates of STD's, rapes and teen pregnancy in the arab world is hushed up…We don't want to admit that it happens. So, we stay silent. For example, when freud had clients who were woman and they talked about incest in their families but he refused to publish it for fear of not being famous or whatever. I think we are still in that stage in the arab world.

    It all goes back to societal change…If we don't change from within, one by one then we will never change.

  • http://blog.eyas-sharaiha.com/ Eyas

    ” ma7moodjo 22 hours ago in reply to Haitham Al-Sheeshany”

    It wasn't directed at you ;)

  • ma7moodjo

    i think am gonna give you a star for that :P
    kudos

  • Kman

    Meh. Yawn. Grow up. Find something more useful to talk about. I mean, really…

  • http://www.gyonis.com/ Ghassan Yonis

    In this case, I apologies. I'm kind of used to the @person rather than this threaded style commenting.

    But my comment remain the same, avoid personalizing, you don't know the person. People feel about things differently. Some enjoy one night stand over and over, some prefer relationships. Doesn't mean that the first is a jerk with intimacy issues and the second is more mature. Hope I made my point, and sorry for the confusion with the commenting thing. :)

  • faith00

    Good Lord !!!!!!!!! Feminists and their Feminism!!!!!! I agree to the violations that occur against women in the arab world! But , look at it this way, FEMINISM, is a western act in itself as Islam has given women all their rights and showed equality. I can tell from your article that, by the least, you're either an atheist, an agnostic, or someone who doesn't know much about islam!

    Now, im all okay with that really, but…. PLEASEEEEEE! do not bring western sicknesses into our lives and ask for its discussion and acceptance!! The reason why the western world is so free of sex, is simply because they've gotten enough of it :S its helarious.

    with all due respect Farida, I strongly disagree with 75% of the contents of your article.

    Instead of taking the western point of view and trying to apply it on your own people, why not read, understand, and , at least discuss the muzlim one, I am no sheikh, not by far, :D but, please do know more before writing on such dilicate topics.

    thank you
    husam

  • faith00

    I agree as in i know of their presence, not that I agree to them occuring and such :D just to be clear to my mistake in my earlier comment ! lol

  • yourworstnightmare

    Farida, kudos to you for writing this. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's great to see people speaking out.

    @ faith, Feminism is not an 'act'. It's more or less a system of belief and it's no one's creation so you can't quite call it Western. True, the concept was popularized and put into action in foreign countries first, but the idea itself is universal.

    “I can tell from your article that, by the least, you're either an atheist, an agnostic, or someone who doesn't know much about islam!”

    …And?

    And as for the rest of your comments, Husam, I can't say much else except that you seem to be one hell of a xenophobe.

  • faith00

    “I can tell from your article that, by the least, you're either an atheist, an agnostic, or someone who doesn't know much about islam!”

    last time I checked the majority of the jordanian population was muzlim, much changed ?

    and, about being an xenophobe, maybe so. but its really not as much as of having the fear, as much as it is of being extremly protective of that which we have, and that which we have seems like is dispersing and leaving away , in other words, being replaced by western culture. so, yes, call me an xenophobe because i hold on tight to my arab identity!

    thanks for clearing that about feminism, but i still think the discussion does not include OUR side of the issue, what would our grandparents have said about this ?

  • ma7moodjo

    typical …. dude this thing that you consider unworthy to discuss is the main survival instinct to our species !!! and the idea of you underestimating this is just horrific !!! and its just sad that your society have entirely screwed this instinct in you ! ! you enjoy being all grown up and let us kids have an unintellectual debate abt this matter !
    peace

  • ma7moodjo

    like realllyyyyyy …. you wanna use what your grandparents would have said !!! i would and am sure everyone else in here sure love to hear your side of it i mean thats the whole points of blogs and articles we can have an intellectual debate about it .

    ofcourse what FARIDA wrote is not perfect its just her point of view and i totally agree with a big part of what she said !!! and i agree with GHASSAN in some points he said .. meaning it doesnt matter who say it if its a religious person like FARIDA or an atheist like ghassan ! a good point is agood point no matter where is comes from !

  • ma7moodjo

    its aight man, i wasnt bothered by this .. and yes you made some really good point but still you are letting your “i dont give a damn skeptical atheist attitude” take the best of you ! ;p
    cheers

  • faith00

    Okay.

    I'll be as thorough as possible in this reply in order to be clearer than I was before. Hoping that you would be a lil bit lenient with me :D Felt like I was being pinned down haha.

    Anywho.
    I really do accept any point of view, weather it was that of an atheist, or that of a sheikh or whatever. So please do not think that im being extrem in my responses. However, I am and most clearly admit, my enmity against the disolving of arabic culture in any form of western culture. Admiting, starting with the language I'm using right now, how that is already happening. So again, my protest on that above, was not against the person itself, as much as how Farida most esteemed, tried to open the topic of Sex and protesting that arab societies should be more open towards that, plainly speaking, to be more aware of it and to be more ready, now, I agree, and understand that! But realistically? that would be an open excuse to use SEX!! to sell, im not sure where, but someone had already said that earlier.

    A greater openness on sex, or, realistically speaking, less conservatism and acceptance of all that would result from OPENNESS to this subject, would only lead to a more liberal and free society. Now, again, all that is good, but, where have I heard that before? What does that resemble ? O yes… Western media!! Now, to those unaware of what Western media does, look and scrutinize their way of lives.

    Religion Wise : Only 7 to 13 % of Americans, attend churches ( Plainly speaking – No religion attenders ) Again, lets try and put religion aside.

    Media in the west : nearly ALL!! Advertisements , T.V and EVEN RADIO stations, use SEX as a method, to sell products through the selling of human flesh really!

    Result : Let us put aside the Religion vs. Sceince discussion, but, we'rent we given brains to control our lusts ? the result really is, a control of human beings, through the control of their lusts, and any constitution weather Religious, Liberal, Communist, or any! that would stand in the way, would automatically be against them! Against the selling of their products and henceforth, against the production of more money….

    No my dear friend, im no xenophobe. Neither am i being an extremist! But I stand fully, with all that i know, against the usage of human beings simply for those behind the curtains to earn more money!

    Now, to prevent phrases like ( okay, tle3t men il mawdo3, what are you trying to say ? etc. ) ill be more direct!

    Religion regardless how people perceive it, stands against commercializing sex! and, the reason i stand fully against anything so western, because anything that is slightly so, comes attached with a cost! Costs like our freedom, our honours, dignities… Please, regardless of anything, do not tell me that freedom, honours and dignities have long been forgotten ? or Lost or whatever… because they are what we stand for as human beings before being Arab.

    History, Mr. Ma7mod, is what i meant by refering to grandparents. Going back and reading histroy, our own, and learning why the topic of Sex, has been in check since forever in our arab world… before really, taking a western approach and tackling it and its issue.

    I appologize for my harsh and aggressive mannor of discussion earlier if taken as such. However long may it stretch. I would be most glad to answer and reply my opinion point by point. For now, this is what i think and this is my point.

    Our freedom, lies by finding answers from our own books and cultures as arabs. I speak as an arab, not as an internationalist.

    with all respect

    faith

  • yourworstnightmare

    This may seem a tad irrelevant but I'm trying to make a point here and I think it's important.

    Faith, since you seem very happy typing up your lovely comments and watching them pop up onto your screen you need to remember where all of this has come from. The only reason you CAN have these debates on the internet is because of globalization, if not Westernization. It's a beautiful thing.

    Now, I'm no Western evangelist but this sort of globalization needs you to be a tad bit more open. It might seem like a huge price for you. No one's asking you to let go of your Arab identity, but some things might need revision every once in a while. Just because something is Arab and from your culture doesn't mean it's perfect. In the same way, no one should assume any set of beliefs is ideal because it's Western.

    Like, take honor killings. Look at any statistics and you'll see Arab countries are pretty high up on the list of countries with most honor crimes. It's an Arab custom, I guess, killing in the name of honor. But just because I'm Arab, does it mean I think honor crimes are a good idea? No way.

    And because I know you're going to call me a Westernized zombie, the same goes for any other culture. There are things that deserve preserving, and things that NEED to disappear.

  • yourworstnightmare

    Ola, it's interesting you mentioned other societies and how sex education affects teen pregnancy and STDs. However, in case you've looked in particular at the US, I definitely have something to say to that.

    Most schools there teach Abstinence-Only sex education. That's nonsense, I think. Because, like you said kids will want to have sex. So do we tell them that the only way to avoid STDs and teen pregnancy is to not have sex? Or do we propose another option, teach them about the preventative measures they can take, i.e., safe sex?

  • yourworstnightmare

    Right. You're making blatant contradictions. You just said how our minds help us control our lusts. And then you implied people are helpless to media and advertisements??