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  • http://twitter.com/asoola_hazel aseel

    Thank you very much for your article. This is very true, we claim to be a conservative, religious society where such things rarely happen if ever, which is not true, we're just in denial, especially us girls. I do see your point in sort of exposing the offender and expressing your dissatisfaction with the offense. However, some people would argue, and they also have a point, that by doing so, you validate their remarks, you give them recognition. What do you think of that? Also, you talked about an initiative, but you haven't mentioned its name or any information about it.
    Thank you.

  • Twt9com

    Shu hal ibizaz ;)

  • http://twitter.com/H_H2O Haytham Dahamsheh

    A nice article for a good cause, Thank you. I agree with you for some point, but the thing is we can't put all the blame on those *MEN*, I mean yes its become an issue a bad one, and it is spreading … and a part of the problem can be (not always) what the *WOMAN* wears, as it encourage such practices. a friend of mine in an incident did a similar thing after asking why, “she wanted it !! ” he said , n frankly she was pretty happy with it !!

    at last what I am trying to say … a big part could be by the “harasser” but there is a part (a not small one) by the “victim”.
    again thank you for the article :)

  • Nat

    What an inspiring article. I can totally relate to that, I experience it every single week and sometimes daily!! Walking from my car to the office reception becomes stressful because for some reason people driving by have the urge to honk the horn or yell something which thankfullyI cannot make out. Don't get me started on public events where at one point I got physically harassed and not by civilians.

    Please share the initiative with us, I know so many women who would love to speak out and be a part of it.

  • Tim

    Excellent article. My wife and I lived in Egypt for two years and the sexual harrassment she had to put up with was much more pronounced. We are thankful that it is not as bad here in Jordan but it certainly does still exist. Shaming was the tactic there and I think you're doing a great thing by exposing these trashy men for what they are.

    Perhaps use your camera phone and create a website posting their photo… carry business cards with the address that says something like, “You will soon be shamed on http://www….” ;)

  • Tim

    Most of these women are not asking for it… and even then… the man is at fault. Most of the women who are objectified on the streets of Jordan are dressed decently. Many of these shameful men are married. They should love their wife so much that they have no interest in looking at other women… no matter how much you think they may be asking for it.

    and… If these women are at fault… how much harassment does being cheaply dressed deserve? Just words, an “accidental touch”, a groping, rape?

  • http://twitter.com/zuhairman zuhair abdelhadi

    the man in the down town .. he is a bad man .. but the elevator guy .. hmm .. i think u miss judged him ..
    why i say this .. its cos i am a guy with a usually smile on my face .. and somehow i notice that some girls read this smile in a wrong way .. therefor react in the wrong way .. my point that not every act is an harassment .. we have to be careful and not to be driven by our anger or stereotyping ..
    other than that i totally agree with you, good post and hopefully, u wouldn't be harassed again :( its an ugly act .. and i hope we would just one day wake up in a cleaner society ..

  • SJ

    @Aseel “we claim to be a conservative, religious society where such things rarely happen if ever.” Did it ever occur to you that it is in fact because we are a conservative,religious society that these things happen. I mean really what do you expect when the genders are segregated, pre-martial sex is taboo, and women are covering more and more. There is a straight correlation between an increase in conservatism and religious dogma with harassment; think Egypt or East Amman. You think women are getting harassed on the streets of Greece, Canada, or Switzerland? It never ceases to amaze me how people say that harassment is increasing and yet can't seem to notice the similar increase in conservatism. Our parents lived in a much more liberal Jordan and hence harassment was much less; seeing an unveiled women in those days was not such a alien sighting.

  • Mohanned

    Seriously? So women must be covered so as not to get harassed? Are you sure about that? How about forcing men to wear some sort of eye wear which looks like the things horses are forced to wear so as not to get distracted?

    A better choice is to empower women and provide them with the tools so that they can protect themselves. Pepper spray and/or tasers come to mind along with legal reform that specifically tackles the issues of harassment.

    It is absurd to say that the victim is to be blamed.

  • Lina

    I appreciate the courage, I think that girls aren't outraged when these incidents happen, it's sad but we have to admit that we have become used to it. Shameful, yes, but that is the truth.

  • Ibraheem Malkawi

    If you were well dressed in an Islamic way you wouldn't get harassed or called by your body parts! But when you choose to disobey Allah's rules which he put to prevent these things, then you are on your own! It's very strange how many females CHOOSE to let go of their DIGNITY by uncovering their bodies and wearing “slutty” clothes, INSTEAD of sticking to the clothe that Allah put for female to protect them and keep them honored!

  • Mohanned

    So men are Allah's tools to punish “disobeying” women?

  • http://twitter.com/H_H2O Haytham Dahamsheh

    ppl !!! what part of **can be (not always)** u did not understand !!! I mentioned that **and a part of the problem can be (not always) what the *WOMAN* wears** which indicates that its not the general case, but it IS a case that none have looked at it, beside I already started my comment with agreeing !! sigh (“-.-)

  • Ibraheem Malkawi

    No they are not…its a consequence of their actions. In fact Allah gave the man the authority upon his wife and daughters to control what they wear “FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT”! But with all the Islamic absence now adays and all the organizations which call for “FREEING” the women and giving them more “rights” (but in face if you think about it, all these organizations and movements are actually taking away their rights) with all those organizations and movement the MOST men have lost control over their families. With the absence of Islamic laws (which if you study them you will notice that harrasments will not exist, and if they do exist they will be treated in a right way) such harrasments are a definite consequence, and if you want to treat it you have to put Islam back into life; you have to put the true Islam not the Islam the people are calling for now (pray, go to Masjid, fast, zakah…that's it). Islam is a way of life, not just some rules. And history has proven the greatness of Islam.

  • http://twitter.com/asoola_hazel aseel

    Hey,
    I agree with you; this shift towards “conservatism” though I refuse to call it that, because our conservatism is rather hypocritical and superficial here in Jordan, but also it depends on what one would define conservatism, is truly a problem.
    However, what I meant to say was that, we pride ourselves of being a religious, conservative society compared to other nations, we think it is what makes us unique, but that is not even true.

  • guest

    How utterly ridiculous yet completely unsurprising to lay the blame of MEN'S actions on WOMEN who most likely did absolutely nothing to invite any sort of harassment. Just walking down the street in public seems an invitation to some men to cat-call, grope, and get too close to a woman. By your reasoning, if a woman is not dressed in the 'Islamic' way then she is asking to get harassed or even raped. What about women who aren't muslim? Who aren't even arab? do they have to dress in an 'Islamic' way too? What is 'Islamic' anyway? where do we draw the line between what is considered modest clothing or slutty clothing? so you think if a woman isn't wearing a hijab then she's out in a skintight miniskirt? Please.

    I have a better solution. Instead of telling women what to do to avoid the problem, how about getting to the root of the problem, which is addressing why men feel like they are entitled to harass women. How about instead of telling women to cover up, we tell men to RESPECT women no matter who they are and where they come from or what they wear. How about we address this sick culture of ours whereby women are put into two categories: virgin/whore.

    This isn't a religious problem. This is a cultural problem and people like you highly offend me because you think just because a woman doesn't appear outwardly religious then she is 'asking for it'.

  • http://twitter.com/asoola_hazel aseel

    This is not true because girls who dress fairly conservatively do also suffer from sexual harassment. Don't try to defend the men who do such things, you know it's wrong….
    Plus, men here in Jordan also suffer from sexual harassment by other women, and other men!!! So, how can we protect men who get harassed?

  • Nat

    I see your point Aseel, You validate them by making any sort of Remark, but staying quiet also encourages the victimizer. I would much rather shame the man than stay quiet. At a point in Uni i heard a girl scream because some guy grabbed her in broad daylight in a crowded area. I was furious not only at that, but I heard two men walking infornt of me saying 'btistahal' (she deserves it). She did not do anything other than walk to the uni main gate!
    Irrespective of how gorgeous a woman is or what she is dressed like, why is it that men can't keep their comments to themselves. Appreciate beauty, that's fine but keep it to yourself you don't need to be vulgar , vocal and definitly not physical about it!

    What puzzles me the most is that harrasment has never been restricted to women that are dressed in appealing figure hugging clothing or what not, it happens irrespective if the women is vailed even. It's a cultural problem of lack of exposure and tolerance. It's also the male chauvinist societal dynamix where men's sexual drive is superior and acceptable and any actions are blamed on the women. If this ideaology is broken, we will be harrassment free.

  • Nat

    Why are we going over the vicious cycle of steretyping women?!!! Malkawi you are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot impose it and generalize it. You talk about POWER and CONTROL of men over their families. Rather why don't men CONTROL THEMSELVES… If Men are so powerful then can't they control their hands and mouths before they say something to harass another human being.

    Women have CONTROL and POWER , we are individuals with a mind and with Dignity and no man is entitled to compromise that or make us feel that we are the reason for their dispicable behaviour. No matter what the women is wearing , she should have the freedom to feel comfortable in her own skin, to be able to walk from her car to the supermarket and back without feeling like a prostitute.

    ENOUGH Shaming women for Men's actions, it's time for such men to be held accountable to their disgusting behaviour. This judging and dirty commenting feeds the plague of harrassment. What happened to Tolerence ?? What happened to respect? It's a basic human right of dignity which we are entitled to at birth. NOTHING should take that away and NO rationalization can justify otherwise!

  • http://twitter.com/H_H2O Haytham Dahamsheh

    I totally agree with you “Aseel” and the guest above, some girls wearing Hijab suffered from such harassment, as I don't believe its a religious related issue.

    but my point -in a previous comment that have been attacked :P – is *BESIDE* having the blame on some Men for that action, there is a blame on **SOME** women with an exposed and totally not decent cloths that encourage such practices. those kind of women insult other women with there acts.

    hopefully not get understood wrong this time :P

  • M H

    haytham, your comment reminds me of this:

    http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/pwork/0506/050…

    this may be hard for you to accept but women are NOT the gatekeeper's of mens' lust. We are humans,not animals, we can control our lust and sexual instincts.

    By the way don't any of you think it's insulting to men for them to be labelled as not being able to control their desires? How peculiar. I mean, it is commonly believed by most people that men are the more 'rational' and less 'emotional' gender. But they can't control themselves at the sight of a woman they think is attractive? That's pretty pathetic.

  • Saed

    First of all I wanna say that this is an amazing article! The more women stand up for themselves like this, the more men will start to respect themselves when addressing a woman (hopefully), or at least objectify them less.

    Now consider the deeper root of the problem if you may. Why are they “perverted”? I think they are perverted due to a social structure problem; a lot of the country is conservative while there is the new rising idea of independent women. Even women objectify themselves at some point. Just like in that time when there was this time when they wanted more equality between men and women and some women even stood against the idea.

    Yup here it is look: http://www.mab3oos.com/2009/08/blog-post_04.html

    Anyway, I think the men are “magatee3″ in a way or another, and come on look at pop culture, and look at the independent taboo defying world we live in, they are bound to be shocked if they're born in a conservative world! (By the way before you get all excited and attack me, I'm not defending the harrassing people, just justifying it in order for another way of attacking this phenomenon)

    So now the education system in Jordan should move a bit forward and educate people about that stuf; because the world is changing, and those harrassers (is that a real word? Nevermind…) are actually victims of that change that they can't keep up with.

    If some people catch up with the new world, people who are socially excluded are unable to do so, so independent women would still be something different for them.

    It's a cultural shock in a way. We have 2 different cultures in a country, and it's just that some people are still shocked by the “newer culture”, since they still have a different view of women.

    So while we all fight off disrespectful people and put them to shame, you should realize that there should be another arm working at the education of future generations to end this “plague”.

  • Saed

    I salute you.

  • Saed

    Leave religion out of this, man. This isn't an attack on any religion. It's all about the clash between cultures.

    And if you ask me, you're being really subjective aobut the subject. Let people do what they want.Oh and I'm a muslim by the way, and my mom and sister are very much free in whatever they wear and they wear revealing stuff sometimes just not to a place where people have that “short is wrong” idea, and they're very respectable women, and very strong, independent, and self-respecting. So it really depends on the women themselves. They have rights, but how the hell is it taking their rights away? The idea of women having rights, is that they at least have a choice, and I think having that choice itself is a majorly good thing to have.

  • http://twitter.com/H_H2O Haytham Dahamsheh

    hehe .. no its not like this, what words should I add to make it clear that I don't mean all women !!!? ya3ne … when u see a Man wear a shirt without closing it and with nothing underneath in a mall or something … wouldn't this make people talk about him ? … its so easy and so normal to find girls and women not wearing exposed cloths ! on the contrary they are insulted by the other type of women that I'm talking about.
    and please don't keep replying like I am attacking women or something !!

    Beside it IS insulting, and what insults more that you generalize what you are talking on all Men !! which is not true …

    there is a difference between being attractive and being

  • Nahhat

    Great article, I think that harassment is one of the tools men use to demonstrate and strengthen their authority in such male dominant societies. They use this technique less against covered women and even less against more covered women, more covered women are an example of obedience and their number shows the power of man in such societies.

  • guesty

    when she's looking at the mirror at home.. turning around and checking out her bottom making sure it looks “cute”.. adding a bit of powder to make the cleavage look better… she's asking for it..!
    men don't go out in speedos!
    you don't have to wear hijab… just don't dress provocatively..
    it's bad enough that men have to wait till their thirties or so to get married..! they have to be teased in a society where girls do not accept compliments on the way their figures whom they spent so much time in front of a mirror for the exact purpose of their “humps” looking sexy!
    if you wanna show a lot of skin… be a good sport! we like your skin.. we might just say something about it!

  • Imad

    lol… how stupid it is to tie a woman's existence with her flirting and wearing short skirts…! is women empowerment a synonym for women wearing bikinis? or is it a synonym of them being a productive part of society..

  • guesty

    how about women not dressing provocatively AND men behaving a bit more civil..

    it is both a religious and a cultural problem… religious teaching both command a dress style that does not provoke poor 25 year old virgins to burst with the most unsatisfying expression of sexuality…(verbal harrasment) AND it teaches men to not stare…

    also… religions tells people to get married.. so they wouldn't need to shout out “nice ass!”

    Enough with the politically correct “I'm a modern man” bullshit!

  • guesty

    sorry for grammar and/or spelling mistakes

  • SJ

    The thing is, guesty and all the other “women should all wear modest clothing” gang, is that your theories are not actually stopping the problem but merely relocating it. Imagine for a second that every woman in west Amman wore modest clothing and a hijab, you think this would solve the problem? Absolutely not. Men would just shift their bar of harassment lower, this time harassing all the modest women and maybe not harassing the fully covered women; think Egypt, Saudi Arabia or East Amman here. Why? Because you have not instilled the mentality that it is not acceptable for men to harass women on the streets no matter what she is wearing, you merely have shifted the playing field. The core notion that it is a “woman's fault' that she is being harassed is still alive and well, which is the root of the problem.

  • Ammani Woman

    I'm a woman and I actually sort of see your point that if we want to show a lot of skin and cleavage we should expect that guys (especially those who have years worth of suppressed sexual energy) will feel compelled to say something. The problem is the sort of thing these guys say and the way they say it. It really doesn't come off as a “compliment”. I'm willing to be a good sport and accept something like “aish ya 7ilu”… versus the more graphic and offensive stuff we hear on the street.

    And SJ here is right too… where do you draw the line and how do you define “provocative”? In my social dictionary I would agree that walking on the street wearing a shirt showing cleavage is provocative, but for some man in our sexually deprived society a regular below-the-knee-length skirt is provocative.

    And this all takes us back to the root cause of so many evils in our society – sexual deprivation. If men (and women) reach puberty in their teens and don't get married till their late 20s or early 30s.. we're talking about 15 years of sexual energy that's not allowed to be channeled in a healthy way. That's just against nature and against whatever Creator we believe in. And I personally don't think early marriage is the answer because i don't think teenagers are equipped and mature enough emotionally and mentally and psychologically to make decisions that are supposed to stay with them for life.

    So if this society decides not to be too hung up on abstinence until marriage, so many of our headaches would be spared… not least of which harassment I suppose. We'll also have less murder, if men didn't feel that they needed to cleanse their “honor” by taking the lives of their “misbehaving” wives, sister, and daughters.

  • what do i know

    Thank you very much Shalabieh for bringing this issue up. The sad fact is, that i can agree with most of the comments posted in response to you article with the except of the religious haut couture designer religious clothes which i have issues with.

    My modest opinion is that while the problem sounds simple, i find that its very complicated. There are many issues at play here all at the same time. It goes beyond the the direct case of how women dress and how men react to it into the disconnect we have between the public vs. private discourse. Collectively as a society, we have a problem in relating to other members of our society when it comes to rules and codes of conduct. There is a complete absence of the notion of a public space and the ethics associated with it.

    The fact is that as a society we live outside the collective time and space, our understanding of where the private ends and where the public shared space begins. This is due to a great extent to the fact that we have lost our basic collective identity and are not able yet to develop a new formula to deal with the different and extreme and unreconciled trends. Are we a western society? are we traditional? are we conservative? are we religious? We suffer from a combination of all that and more.

    The question that needs to be asked is when will able to get out of the selfish state of caring only about our own selves and worrying only bout our existentialism. A socially mature society should and will develop and ethic for the shared public space that is friendly to the majority of society. Once we arrive at that, we can always understand and appreciate the other and where they come from and how they see things. On the other side, they will learn to understand, appreciate and respect us and you.

    At this stage, we all need to take our selves less seriously, compromise more for the collective space and before taking any step of action, putting our feet in shoes of others. We should strive to build better human relations across the board within our society and beyond it and create a healthy discourse for an interactive shared public space for all.

  • Guest

    Believe me Mr. Obdelhadi, any grown up woman living in the Middle East ***KNOWS*** and can recognize an act of sexual harassment. I've had countless incidents from physical to verbal sexual harassment. From men getting their pants open on street corners to others daring to touch… I've always named and shamed them even slapped them and got one arrested once.
    It was a big relief when I moved to the west. Walking down the streets freely being left in peace. I still dread having to walk down the streets of Damascus just for knowing what I have to put up with.

  • Nat

    Fair enough Imad. It is definitly not a way of saying empowering women is by parading in bakinis and i think i can speak for most women that we want to be taken seriously and empowered intellectually and not for physical attributes.

    Another thing, we are not generalizin but it is part of our daily life which we cannot escape. I hear stories about my male friends who get commented on for wearing shorts. Wouldn't that be irritating to you if another Male comments on you for wearing shorts?? Multiply that by every time you wear anything! Clothing is not the driver of the comments believe me.

    Women get commented on for doing cardio and going for a run, wearking a tshirt, baggy pants, pretty much anything… that't the frustrating part…

    So even if you eliminate the 'provocative' clothing there is still an undeniable problem….

  • guesty

    i agree that the root cause is sexual deprivation.. and it's not just a problem for women.. when I go out in shorts.. women stare so much I think their eyes will drop out.. the other day two girls stared so much i felt it necessary to get out of the supermarket i was in and wait until they got out…
    BUT… We will never ever ever stop believing in abstinence until marriage.. marrying young would be perfect… maturity is not an issue.. teenagers led armies at the age of 15… kids are as mature as the tasks we designate to them.. early marriage IS the solution.. a drastic change in the demands for marriage are the things we should seek.. it should become common for a college student to get married and for his wife to move in to his home with his parents or some other solution..
    UNTIL that happens.. we should both turn down the sexiness and turn up the virtue and self-control..
    Abstinence all the way!

  • guesty

    well if a man can't see a womans breasts.. he wouldn't say “nice tits”… if a woman feels offended when a man says that.. don't show them to men! if they still do it regardless… THEN it's a man's fault.. Women are most certainly not entirely to blame..

    Also.. women are really hypocritical about what they consider harassment.. if a guy from a lower class admires her she might slap him! but if a hot guy gets out of a prosche and tells her “Hey you look hot!” she would smile and go tell her friends all about it!

    Let's just say if a woman shouts out.. nice ass to me.. though i may be shy.. i would be very happy! i might even say thank you!

    women shouldn't bitch and moan about it so much.. because they are not against “random men admiring their sexiness” they are just against “a low life whom they don't think is worthy of them saying things about their figures”

  • guesty

    have as much issues with religious clothes as you want.. but mocking the faith of millions of women is uncalled for..
    if a woman who wears hijab calls girls who wear mini skirts.. white trash bitches… you would be offended and call her an ignorant extremist..
    so you should be respectful towards the other side just as you expect them to be respectful to you…

  • Ahmad

    I salute YOU Ibrahim!

  • Saed

    I liked your reply by mistake trying to reply.

    I think people just need to control their sexual urges more our of respect. That's all. Why should a person's individual space and choice be affected by how much repressed sexual energy they have.

    Also, I am not for early marriage.

  • Saed

    No offense, but did you even read “what do i know's” comment?

  • Saed

    You piss me off (I say that as respectfully as I can), let them choose whatever the hell they want, it's none of your business (not religiously nor morally) to tell people what to do or what to wear. You kill religion this way, and you kill its image. Shame on you.

    The idea is that even if someone wears a tree's leaf over their genitals, they should be respected and not commented on rudely like that. People choose different things, and IN OUR MAJORLY VARYING society and social structure, we need to respect eachother rather than impose our ideas.

    But please stop giving out a bad image about our religion.

    Also, (general statement): saying that “women braught this upon themselves since they dress provocatively” is like a murderer saying “I held the knife out, he ran into it”

  • what do i know

    Thank you Saed very Much. Apparently guesty chose to understand that my comments are negative. Non the less, i accept his choice and respect his opinion and expression of anger as long as we do not take it personally. The issue being debated here is a public issue, it effects every one of us. We all need to work on moving past our “personal” domains into the wider society. Its perfectly fine to want to stay in our controlled comfort zones, but its not OK to want to take our comfort zone to the public sphere expecting all others, not only to like it, but to conform to it also.

    Of course this will never happen and this is where we lose the control over the cycle. Instead of accepting the rejection of other to conform to what we think is the norm (which in reality is our comfort zone), we turn aggressive and try impose what we think is the “Norm” on everybody else. Since imposing ones own NORMS on others is almost always impossible, we as socially immature human beings, intend to become aggressive and assaultive.

  • guesty

    I never read your comment.. i was repulsed by your haut couture mockery… my reply was directed to that sentence only.. i'm not going to read it either.. when you start this way..

  • Nat

    Interesting to bring up the sexual repression issue, I totally agree that it IS the root cause of this issue. To some degree I do not blame this kind of behaviour because at some point seeing and interacting with women who dress in modern figure hugging clothing is bound to spark something. Fair enough…

    I repeat that admiring is natural, we're human, girls admire other girls (eyeing them from head to toe admiring their fashion sense or criticizing it). Why can't it stop there??? Why must it be verbalized ? Why must she be grabbed for being herself?

    Early Marriage = Marrying when the mind is still starting to discover new experiences and the individual is still finding themselves = Marrying for the wrong reasons which although make sense at that moment in time, it is shortlived = Divorce = even more sexual frustration!!! Back to square one…

  • Susana

    I'm sorry, but putting the blame on women is really stupid. It's as if a woman is beautiful and because she is, she deserves to be harassed constantly. Even if we want to wear a miniskirt, there's no way you can say it's our problem, we should dress the way we want to! I don't mumble at men I like in the street!

    There is no way to justify the disgusting and obnoxious comments, cat callings, honks, looks that men give women here. And really it doesn't matter what you're wearing, because I tried it, it's the same with a skirt than it is with pants or covered. They think they have Carte Blanche for anything. I guess it must be due to the sexual frustration in this country, at least that's the only reason I can find. Men look at women and women look at men everywhere in the world, but here it's done in such a repugnant way it makes you want to slap them.

  • Get over it!

    How sad is that, 25 year old virgins?? People here should really get over the sex taboo, and I'm 100 per cent sure everyone would be much happier. Jordan needs a sexual revolution urgently!

  • Saed

    Just for the sake of clarifying the matter, I believe he says he has issues with them, he did not mock them. People mock my long hair, and some people just don't like it. I don't mind opinions, but enforcing opinions is different. I believe he merely expressed it.

    Excuse my digression.

  • Saed

    Also, no offense, but if you're gonna whine about how he STARTED an argument, how are we supposed to take your points into consideration into constructing a logical argument? The fact that you're being close minded really doesn't help putting YOUR point in perspective for us to consider, be it good or bad.

  • guesty

    Saed, YOU do not see it as mockery, but I do. I said have as much issues as you want, but the description was clearly (though you don't seem to see it) not respectful. In other words, it is Ok to express your opinion, but it is never Ok to mock! (Again, “religious haut couture designer religious clothes”… not so good!)

    I constructed enough logical arguments in all my previous comments. Read through them if you are interested. If the mockery was in the end of the argument I would be repulsed too and I would hesitate to argue logically with someone who seems to have some kind of prejudice.

    I have the right not to read through any persons comments. I have the right to express disgust from only one sentence or only one word for that matter..!

    You are more than welcome NOT to take my points into consideration IF you don't feel like it..