Homosexuality and the Medical Opinion

الأحد 22 حزيران 2008

By Dr. Mohammed Dalabih

Reading Al-Ghad’s newspaper article on homosexuality in Jordan, I was shocked by how old and outdated the views of the medical officials in Jordan about homosexuality are. In this article I am trying to point out medical and scientific mistakes made by the official in that article.

The first paragraph translates as follows:

“The Ministry of Health has documented yesterday 20 cases of homosexuality in Jordan”.

The article goes on to describe at length how homosexuality is a “learned behavior”, that it is a “disease”, that it can be “cured” and that such a cure would “benefit the society”.

As a medical practitioner, I will go through the most recent medical views about homosexuality.

Q. Is homosexuality a learned behavior or a choice?

A. Medically, sexual orientation is not a choice made by the individual nor is it a result of childhood events or a specific upbringing. A homosexual person puts as much free will and choice into being gay as a heterosexual puts in being heterosexual.

Q. Is homosexuality a disease?

A. Medically it is not considered a disease. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV, the most widely acknowledged and respected source and catalog of psychiatric medical illnesses, homosexuality is not a disorder. Calling a homosexual person mentally ill is a medical and professional error. This opinion is also shared by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, and the American Medical Association and eventually the American Psychoanalytic Association.

Q. The Al-Ghad article stated that the Ministry of Health official estimates the number of homosexuals in Jordan to be 150 people. Is that medically possible?

A. Scientifically this is impossible. A review of medical studies done over the years, published in 1993 by Diamond and Colleagues found that 5-6% of males and 2-3% of females considered themselves gay, lesbian and bisexual. The Ministry of Health official did not explain how he arrived at such a figure. In other words, the Ministry of Health’s figure is statistically a joke.

Q. Can homosexuality be cured? The Ministry of Health official claims it can be cured but is difficult.

A. Over the years, various methods, from counseling to “aversion” therapy have been used. One of the most common modalities was electric shock therapy. Today, this period in psychiatric history is looked at in a very regretful way, as one of the atrocities committed against humans in the name of science and medicine. Since homosexuality is no longer considered a disease, no studies are being done on treating it. The old treatments have repeatedly proved themselves violating the basic humane aspect of medicine as well as a medical failure. No sources can be found on medical studies proving them effective. Furthermore, these methods are now limited to some rigid religious institutes mainly in the US, that preach sexual orientation change.

Q. What can a medical professional do to help a homosexual person? What is the role of modern medicine?

A. The role of modern medical practice is to resolve any anxiety and low self esteem problems that may accompany the feelings homosexual people might be facing. Homosexual people often find themselves without any social support from friends and family, and this puts considerable mental and social pressure on them as individuals.

It is very disturbing for a medical health professional in Jordan to read such comments from someone in the Ministry of Health being said in a major newspaper for what an unsuspecting audience might consider a medical fact. It is unprofessional and very damaging to individuals and society on the long term. Throughout history, social lack of understanding and religious opinions affected science negatively. In a field that is primarily aimed at helping individuals physically and emotionally, the discrimination still present among its professionals must be quite difficult for homosexual people seeking help to handle. I do not think it is the Ministry of Health’s duty to be “documenting” homosexual cases and forgetting its role in providing nonjudgmental medical help and psychiatric counseling aimed towards helping people accept who they are and deal with society’s pressure as citizens of our country with rights. I feel very strongly about this because the Jordanian healthcare system has a very strong reputation regionally, and our doctors are constantly achieving a lot internationally and locally, this article hits the core of medical professionalism.

Sources:

Smith G, Bartlett A, King M. Treatments of homosexuality in Britain since the 1950s—an oral history: the experience of professionals. BMJ 2004;328: 429-0.

Avid S Reitman, MD, Department of Adolescent and Young Adult Medicine, Instructor in Pediatrics, Children’s National Medical Center, emedicine – Sexuality and Sexual Orientation,
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/TOPIC2773.HTM

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  • Tala

    Dr. Dalabih,

    what drives a person into a relationship with another is something complicated but i can understand it to some extent whether it was with a similar or opposite sex.

    but i dont understand the idea that a person would get an arousal from dealing with poop (sorry to use the word) and i ask myself whether they do realize that with their full mind and act like its fine, i cant see it as rational or healthy. when i think of orientation and sexual intercourse, my only reference would be that if the sex is unprotected, it should be safe.

  • Tala

    Dr. Dalabih,

    what drives a person into a relationship with another is something complicated but i can understand it to some extent whether it was with a similar or opposite sex.

    but i dont understand the idea that a person would get an arousal from dealing with poop (sorry to use the word) and i ask myself whether they do realize that with their full mind and act like its fine, i cant see it as rational or healthy. when i think of orientation and sexual intercourse, my only reference would be that if the sex is unprotected, it should be safe.

  • madian

    Dr.Dalabih,
    Thank you for your article, in answer to what is truely disturbing, especially coming from a major newspaper, and worse yet, in the name of our government. I am confident that the leaders of our Government do not think this way, and probably have no idea it was even published.
    It makes me wonder how correct any of the information coming out of Al Ghad is . I for one will boycott it.
    As for Tala, its good to know that you are somewhat balanced in your view to relationships in general..whether Homosexual or heterosexual, and your concern with safe sex.
    However…Anal sex is very common in heterosexual sex as well….Very.

  • madian

    Dr.Dalabih,
    Thank you for your article, in answer to what is truely disturbing, especially coming from a major newspaper, and worse yet, in the name of our government. I am confident that the leaders of our Government do not think this way, and probably have no idea it was even published.
    It makes me wonder how correct any of the information coming out of Al Ghad is . I for one will boycott it.
    As for Tala, its good to know that you are somewhat balanced in your view to relationships in general..whether Homosexual or heterosexual, and your concern with safe sex.
    However…Anal sex is very common in heterosexual sex as well….Very.

  • Nas

    I think, due to various traditional cultural elements in Jordan, both the opinion leaders and the opinion followers will ever question anything, especially the latter group. Denial about certain taboo subjects has become national tradition. And not just in Jordan.

  • Nas

    I think, due to various traditional cultural elements in Jordan, both the opinion leaders and the opinion followers will ever question anything, especially the latter group. Denial about certain taboo subjects has become national tradition. And not just in Jordan.

  • ERS

    Dr. Dalabih, thank you for taking the time to correct these errors.

    Homosexuals are also at higher risk for dishonor killings which, I would think, is or should be a public health issue, too.

    Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
    “Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”

  • ERS

    Dr. Dalabih, thank you for taking the time to correct these errors.

    Homosexuals are also at higher risk for dishonor killings which, I would think, is or should be a public health issue, too.

    Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
    “Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”

  • Friend

    Mo, Such a great post.

    I wish you could translate it into arabic and put it in the reply field in Alghad newspaper. I saw the same article today on Alarabiya.net and though I did reply in arabic in a very good way ,I guess, but it wasn’t published.

    Peace,

  • Friend

    Mo, Such a great post.

    I wish you could translate it into arabic and put it in the reply field in Alghad newspaper. I saw the same article today on Alarabiya.net and though I did reply in arabic in a very good way ,I guess, but it wasn’t published.

    Peace,

  • Lesbo Boyhood

    Dear Tala,
    Your imagaination is pretty wild! The detailed sexual act that elicited an immediate reponse from you is actually not homosexuality, but coprophilia, which refers to getting sexual pleasure from the excretion of human feces. It is also known as “scat” or “shitplay.”

    The two concepts (homosexuality and playing with faecal matter) are not the same thing (sorry to disappoint?). Nor do scat and anal sex mean the same thing.

    In fact, one study listed on wikipedia shows that 18% of heterosexuals involved engaged in scat compared to 17% of the homosexuals.

    Also, most of the people I know who engage in anal sex are heterosexual men who like being penetrated by their girlfriends. And the homosexual men I know who practice it are very “anal” (great pun here, no?) about keeping the situation clean.

  • Lesbo Boyhood

    Dear Tala,
    Your imagaination is pretty wild! The detailed sexual act that elicited an immediate reponse from you is actually not homosexuality, but coprophilia, which refers to getting sexual pleasure from the excretion of human feces. It is also known as “scat” or “shitplay.”

    The two concepts (homosexuality and playing with faecal matter) are not the same thing (sorry to disappoint?). Nor do scat and anal sex mean the same thing.

    In fact, one study listed on wikipedia shows that 18% of heterosexuals involved engaged in scat compared to 17% of the homosexuals.

    Also, most of the people I know who engage in anal sex are heterosexual men who like being penetrated by their girlfriends. And the homosexual men I know who practice it are very “anal” (great pun here, no?) about keeping the situation clean.

  • Tala

    i am glad i got on your nerves Mr Ms Mrs Lesbo Boyhood, in fact my previous comment was intentional and thanks for complimenting my imagination, i do take time to think things out.

    what i was talking about was anal sex in specific.

    your last line is what i wanted to hear from you. you are “anal” about keeping it clean. its not because you want to, its because you have to. heteros are ignorant about anal/shit play or whatever you want to call it. these practices which are plain twisted but are no foundations to a healthy sexual life, especially if it involves anything vaginal which would do damage to both partners. anal sex involves condoms, gloves and dental dams which is something i want you to think about. “see” what you are doing. “think” of what you physically do and give me a rational explaination, can you think of all the overheads you are putting up with to do it the way you want?

    protection is essential in anal sex otherwise you are subject to STDs and a combination of “shit and blood”, again, you have shit close to your blood! how could it be healthy, rational and right? in my logic, it doesnt work.

    if i didnt care, i wouldnt have taken the time to go through all that and i dont take things as is. give me good counter arguements, and convince me that there is an explaination. im positive that its not a disorder or illness but i think you are acting according to instincts and people disagree in perspectives.. Good luck anyway.

  • Tala

    i am glad i got on your nerves Mr Ms Mrs Lesbo Boyhood, in fact my previous comment was intentional and thanks for complimenting my imagination, i do take time to think things out.

    what i was talking about was anal sex in specific.

    your last line is what i wanted to hear from you. you are “anal” about keeping it clean. its not because you want to, its because you have to. heteros are ignorant about anal/shit play or whatever you want to call it. these practices which are plain twisted but are no foundations to a healthy sexual life, especially if it involves anything vaginal which would do damage to both partners. anal sex involves condoms, gloves and dental dams which is something i want you to think about. “see” what you are doing. “think” of what you physically do and give me a rational explaination, can you think of all the overheads you are putting up with to do it the way you want?

    protection is essential in anal sex otherwise you are subject to STDs and a combination of “shit and blood”, again, you have shit close to your blood! how could it be healthy, rational and right? in my logic, it doesnt work.

    if i didnt care, i wouldnt have taken the time to go through all that and i dont take things as is. give me good counter arguements, and convince me that there is an explaination. im positive that its not a disorder or illness but i think you are acting according to instincts and people disagree in perspectives.. Good luck anyway.

  • mister lesbo boy

    Hi Tala,
    It’s definately Mister Lesbo Missus Boi, if you want my precise gender title.

    I don’t think Anal sex should involve more “overhead” than safe vaginal sex. Both require condoms and a good cleanout before and after, no? Anyway, what is sex without interesting accessories? And what the hell do you mean by “healthy?” So you mean safe? If yes, we agree. And there are plenty of ways to have safe “healthy” anal sex. If you mean boring, we don’t.

    As for these practices being “twisted”- we really need a domain in our lives reserved for all that is mysterious and boundary breaking. Sex is it. Do we really want to repress every single last element in our Jordanian lives? We need a place to break taboos. The function of taboos in Jordan is to make our sex lives so much more wild. A little freedom is in order. The total repression you suggest is what really sounds unhealthy to me. I say we can let loose with some measure of safety. Sex is power and mystery and lust and a lot of loss of control, by definition. Thats what makes it so wonderful and crazy and great.

  • mister lesbo boy

    Hi Tala,
    It’s definately Mister Lesbo Missus Boi, if you want my precise gender title.

    I don’t think Anal sex should involve more “overhead” than safe vaginal sex. Both require condoms and a good cleanout before and after, no? Anyway, what is sex without interesting accessories? And what the hell do you mean by “healthy?” So you mean safe? If yes, we agree. And there are plenty of ways to have safe “healthy” anal sex. If you mean boring, we don’t.

    As for these practices being “twisted”- we really need a domain in our lives reserved for all that is mysterious and boundary breaking. Sex is it. Do we really want to repress every single last element in our Jordanian lives? We need a place to break taboos. The function of taboos in Jordan is to make our sex lives so much more wild. A little freedom is in order. The total repression you suggest is what really sounds unhealthy to me. I say we can let loose with some measure of safety. Sex is power and mystery and lust and a lot of loss of control, by definition. Thats what makes it so wonderful and crazy and great.

  • Tala

    the anus is not a sex organ.

    i meant by overheads is going against your body design to have twisted sex and use all available tools to justify it, considering pleasure and discarding risks.

    in vaginal sex you have the option of unprotected sex if the partners were honest, faithful and disease free, which is the way nature is meant to preserve humans. in Anal sex you dont have that. you can’t go as is unless you want to hurt yourself.

    it has nothing to do with any location on earth, so dont drive it in the Jordanian repression direction, i have not mentioned anything about culture, governmental policies or religion. though most probably id defend your right to do what you want. consenting to have anal sex is craziness in my opinion.

    maybe homosexuality is your way of expressing mystery, boundary breaking and freedom. maybe its the secrecy, living double lives, the illusion of breaking the norm that you like. maybe you have fears from the opposite sex, maybe you respect them a lot, maybe you associate certain traits with being homosexual, maybe you just wanna prove that you can be opposite, maybe you love pain. i can’t tell. but if its just a crazy lust and loss of control, you know no one can stop you. but you dont convince me enough to agree that what you are doin is right.

    i think you should be able to say you are gay, lesbian, bi and get medical care when you need it. but as for homos treating homophobia. i have to say your approach drove me away.

  • Tala

    the anus is not a sex organ.

    i meant by overheads is going against your body design to have twisted sex and use all available tools to justify it, considering pleasure and discarding risks.

    in vaginal sex you have the option of unprotected sex if the partners were honest, faithful and disease free, which is the way nature is meant to preserve humans. in Anal sex you dont have that. you can’t go as is unless you want to hurt yourself.

    it has nothing to do with any location on earth, so dont drive it in the Jordanian repression direction, i have not mentioned anything about culture, governmental policies or religion. though most probably id defend your right to do what you want. consenting to have anal sex is craziness in my opinion.

    maybe homosexuality is your way of expressing mystery, boundary breaking and freedom. maybe its the secrecy, living double lives, the illusion of breaking the norm that you like. maybe you have fears from the opposite sex, maybe you respect them a lot, maybe you associate certain traits with being homosexual, maybe you just wanna prove that you can be opposite, maybe you love pain. i can’t tell. but if its just a crazy lust and loss of control, you know no one can stop you. but you dont convince me enough to agree that what you are doin is right.

    i think you should be able to say you are gay, lesbian, bi and get medical care when you need it. but as for homos treating homophobia. i have to say your approach drove me away.

  • Jordano

    Tala,

    There is no such thing as the natural way of doing things. We would be living in herds and hunting animals and most probably living in the nude. Have you ever seen a horny dog? It humps everything in its path. I think the argument of something is natural or not is just a last resort fallback when all other arguments fail, and therefore, I respectfully do not buy it.

    Anyway, back to topic. In today’s world, sex is no longer an act that is solely for reproduction, and it can be an enjoyable act.
    So if we take reproduction out of the equation (which I think is reasonable given the population explosion we have), then sex is just a mindless repetitive act. If you think about it for a moment, it stops making sense and logic. Same goes for love actually, it is not necessarily the most rational thing.

    As long as everyone has the mental capacity to consciously make a decision, then they have every right for it.

    Just my two cents

  • Jordano

    Tala,

    There is no such thing as the natural way of doing things. We would be living in herds and hunting animals and most probably living in the nude. Have you ever seen a horny dog? It humps everything in its path. I think the argument of something is natural or not is just a last resort fallback when all other arguments fail, and therefore, I respectfully do not buy it.

    Anyway, back to topic. In today’s world, sex is no longer an act that is solely for reproduction, and it can be an enjoyable act.
    So if we take reproduction out of the equation (which I think is reasonable given the population explosion we have), then sex is just a mindless repetitive act. If you think about it for a moment, it stops making sense and logic. Same goes for love actually, it is not necessarily the most rational thing.

    As long as everyone has the mental capacity to consciously make a decision, then they have every right for it.

    Just my two cents

  • Lesbo Boyhood

    tala,
    if the anus is not a sex gland, what is the prostate doing there? why is it called the male g spot? how are men able to have orgasms from stimulating it? didnt nature put it there and make it pleasurable? did nature make a mistake?? is nature “unhealthy”??

    i really dont care about bringing you to “our side” or making you believe that what “we do is right” or in making you less homphobic. if you were in the least bit interesting, you would already be there. you bore me and so does “doing what is right”. sex is unknowable and mysterious and boundary breaking and pyschotic or just plain fun whether or not its hetero or homo. sex in all its wide aspects and possibilites and manifestations is really a frontier of the psyche and instinct and experience. have you ever read freud?

    thanks for believing that all human beings should have acces to health care. even though they can be repressed, oppressive facists with a terrible fashion sense, i believe straight people should be able to say they are straight and get health care too. cool. we agree.

  • Lesbo Boyhood

    tala,
    if the anus is not a sex gland, what is the prostate doing there? why is it called the male g spot? how are men able to have orgasms from stimulating it? didnt nature put it there and make it pleasurable? did nature make a mistake?? is nature “unhealthy”??

    i really dont care about bringing you to “our side” or making you believe that what “we do is right” or in making you less homphobic. if you were in the least bit interesting, you would already be there. you bore me and so does “doing what is right”. sex is unknowable and mysterious and boundary breaking and pyschotic or just plain fun whether or not its hetero or homo. sex in all its wide aspects and possibilites and manifestations is really a frontier of the psyche and instinct and experience. have you ever read freud?

    thanks for believing that all human beings should have acces to health care. even though they can be repressed, oppressive facists with a terrible fashion sense, i believe straight people should be able to say they are straight and get health care too. cool. we agree.

  • Tala

    i dont think i have anything more to say here. and no we disagree.

  • Tala

    i dont think i have anything more to say here. and no we disagree.

  • Ali

    The ministry report is just as naive and dunmb as the government thinks the people of this country are. I have never seen or read such nonsense from a governmental spokesman. I never knew Homosexuality was a case to be detected like any disease. What about people in the closet??

  • Ali

    The ministry report is just as naive and dunmb as the government thinks the people of this country are. I have never seen or read such nonsense from a governmental spokesman. I never knew Homosexuality was a case to be detected like any disease. What about people in the closet??

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  • froggy

    To TALA: “the anus is not a sex organ.” 😀 Neither is the mouth or tongue. Yet, I assure you, you’ll be pleased when a man uses his on you (if ever) and vice (!) versa (if ever).

  • froggy

    To TALA: “the anus is not a sex organ.” 😀 Neither is the mouth or tongue. Yet, I assure you, you’ll be pleased when a man uses his on you (if ever) and vice (!) versa (if ever).

  • froggy

    To TALA: “the anus is not a sex organ.” 😀 Neither is the mouth or tongue. Yet, I assure you, you’ll be pleased when a man uses his on you (if ever) and vice (!) versa (if ever). Anything goes as long as both agree.

  • froggy

    To TALA: “the anus is not a sex organ.” 😀 Neither is the mouth or tongue. Yet, I assure you, you’ll be pleased when a man uses his on you (if ever) and vice (!) versa (if ever). Anything goes as long as both agree.

  • Arsen

    It’s something to be proud of to see someone outside correcting whatever crap has been said, and giving logical answers to what we or they might ask,
    And I do believe that as long as there is someone out there keeping an eye on what’s being written on papers, every writer will think twice before writing anything for the hick of it.
    Keep the good work up Dr. Dalabih xx

  • Arsen

    It’s something to be proud of to see someone outside correcting whatever crap has been said, and giving logical answers to what we or they might ask,
    And I do believe that as long as there is someone out there keeping an eye on what’s being written on papers, every writer will think twice before writing anything for the hick of it.
    Keep the good work up Dr. Dalabih xx

  • ahmad

    well,

    i read the article in the Ghad newspaper the other day, and i couldn’t but look at it a bit differently,

    now, and taken our country’s state as it is, i think, that actually declaring a problem in the newspapers as doing so, is one of the first steps that are being made available to the gay crowd of jordan publicly,

    i took some thought of this, especially after reading in some online newspaper (i believe it was amoon or another), that one of 3rd circle’s outlets, made quite a stir some weeks ago by holding a public gay gathering, were several policemen on the roads were NOT able to do anything about it (kept busy keeping the streets running).

    not to make this long, as it already is, Publicly facing the situation of gay people in Jordan is a good step, i believe that no publicity is bad publicity, take the Jew’s and the american media as an example (not in its context in any way), which is a terrific example of being able to point the views of your audience and tweaking it, that also does take into consideration the views and the culture of the country as well, but as is so prevalent in history, culture, and the views of the population, are subject to change, over time.

    I don’t believe it would have been possible for any health official to publicly declare that we have the thousands (even if not hundreds of thousands) of homosexuals in our society, that would declare a threat to every single family in Jordan, with a ratio of approx. 1:10 that actually one of its family members is GAY.

    acceptance is in its first steps, and i don’t believe that this could have been done any differently, but i believe that this just established the best path to handling the jordanian culture and population, a homophobic society at its Best!

  • ahmad

    well,

    i read the article in the Ghad newspaper the other day, and i couldn’t but look at it a bit differently,

    now, and taken our country’s state as it is, i think, that actually declaring a problem in the newspapers as doing so, is one of the first steps that are being made available to the gay crowd of jordan publicly,

    i took some thought of this, especially after reading in some online newspaper (i believe it was amoon or another), that one of 3rd circle’s outlets, made quite a stir some weeks ago by holding a public gay gathering, were several policemen on the roads were NOT able to do anything about it (kept busy keeping the streets running).

    not to make this long, as it already is, Publicly facing the situation of gay people in Jordan is a good step, i believe that no publicity is bad publicity, take the Jew’s and the american media as an example (not in its context in any way), which is a terrific example of being able to point the views of your audience and tweaking it, that also does take into consideration the views and the culture of the country as well, but as is so prevalent in history, culture, and the views of the population, are subject to change, over time.

    I don’t believe it would have been possible for any health official to publicly declare that we have the thousands (even if not hundreds of thousands) of homosexuals in our society, that would declare a threat to every single family in Jordan, with a ratio of approx. 1:10 that actually one of its family members is GAY.

    acceptance is in its first steps, and i don’t believe that this could have been done any differently, but i believe that this just established the best path to handling the jordanian culture and population, a homophobic society at its Best!

  • Ma7moud

    Wowww. A great topic and very interesting comments. I read this article when it was posted on alarabiyah.com. They quoted our over educated official to the world. I was pleased that he, at least, was sympathetic in a way. He also admitted that homosexuality exists in Jordan wish is considered a score for the cause. I circulated this article to a clique of Arab-American friends living in the United States. The least educated person of these friends holds a master’s degree. They all wrote me back in a sarcastic manner congratulating me on having such an official spokesman that posses such an antiquated point of view.

  • Ma7moud

    Wowww. A great topic and very interesting comments. I read this article when it was posted on alarabiyah.com. They quoted our over educated official to the world. I was pleased that he, at least, was sympathetic in a way. He also admitted that homosexuality exists in Jordan wish is considered a score for the cause. I circulated this article to a clique of Arab-American friends living in the United States. The least educated person of these friends holds a master’s degree. They all wrote me back in a sarcastic manner congratulating me on having such an official spokesman that posses such an antiquated point of view.

  • Saif-Allah

    Not every thing you like or want is good.
    I sincerely believe in GOD, especially in a scientific manner. On this basis, why would GOD prohibit homosexuality in any way?
    If I may know little as to why, one thing I’m sure of is that to the many things brought in divine (3) religions, everything is for a reason and a good one. Not believing in GOD and being homosexual makes sense in a certain ignorant way.
    If a diabetic person eats a couple Mars bars, their health is immediately at risk.
    If a human delves into homosexual activity, GOD is more knowing of the social and medical effects (but the human awaits until on the verge of death to accept anything).
    Sincerely.

  • Saif-Allah

    Not every thing you like or want is good.
    I sincerely believe in GOD, especially in a scientific manner. On this basis, why would GOD prohibit homosexuality in any way?
    If I may know little as to why, one thing I’m sure of is that to the many things brought in divine (3) religions, everything is for a reason and a good one. Not believing in GOD and being homosexual makes sense in a certain ignorant way.
    If a diabetic person eats a couple Mars bars, their health is immediately at risk.
    If a human delves into homosexual activity, GOD is more knowing of the social and medical effects (but the human awaits until on the verge of death to accept anything).
    Sincerely.

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